Do you remember probably about four or five days after Charlene would call Diane at all hours of the day and night to threaten violence if Diane continued on with her husband. The blogger continues, I am not one sided. I understand that the authorities were afraid to leave the two remaining children under her care if they thought she was guilty, but they could have been released to the grandparents or other blood relatives with supervised visits from their mom considering that she was not charged with any crime. Of course, her mental health has deteriorated. Diane had moved to Oregon only 6 weeks before the tragedy to work in the area and have her parents spend time with the kids. ..it is quite possible if she was tried in todays world, with the evidence they hadquite possible it would of went differently we been living in a society that pretty much demand 100% pure forensic evidence proven. Celebrity Author Covers Case Ann Rule wrote 'Small Sacrifices,' later released as a movie. Then, they accused her of shooting her kids at close range. Evidence or not, they were going to do their best to put her away for life. Right after the shooting, little Danny would ask the nurses, Why did the mean man shoot me? and it would be written down in the daily notes. But for what it is worth, I believe she tried to kill her 3 kids. If the adult can show capacity and willingness to provide care, love and nurturing to the children, then there is no legal reason to prevent them from becoming Foster Carers. It appears that you have to be a perfect mother with no lovers and not afflicted with any mental illness to be considered innocent until proven guilty in America. She could have stayed on the side of the road. She signed an affidavit to that effect and wanted the jury informed of it but it was never done. Christie was born in October of 1974 and Cheryl Lynn in January of 1976. The children had a father. In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the Anatomy of Brainwashing that can answer any question on this subject. 4. Foote denied the motion and declared you have an attorney, use him.. Teen Mom 2 alum Jenelle Evans and her mom, Barbara Evans, have been feuding over custody of Jenelle's son, Jace in addition to many other issues for over a decade. So, why didn't Steve Downs get custody? As a result, he decided not to attend the rest of the trial. Why? Around 1 in 20 residents in Arkansas and Tennessee were missed during the 2020 census, and four other U.S. states had significant undercounts of their populations which could shortchange them Most people negotiate the ups and downs of . Accused of her side of the story what the state says how would it be possible for her to do what they presumed. I dont believe there was a CK. And by the way, I wrote the blogs about Rule way before she passed. He is in his 70s now and his photo is not on his linkedin or anywhere I could find. No worries. It is in the blog. It is not a hatefest and I do not wish death or life without parole on anyone. LMFAO!!!! She was not in the car when her children were shot. She. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI, which is the official psychiatric diagnostic manual. So should I put an addendum saying that Diane contradicted herself or was not satisfied with the sketch? This happened in 1983, not 1893. Ruger #14-76187; described as the gun used by Diane and belonging to Steve Downs, was not the murder weapon. answer the question why didn t steve downs get custody, which will help you get the most accurate answer. So the hell with no gun, no GSR, no blood and no witnesses except a sick child who denied knowing who shot them until she could not anymore and happened to be adopted by the prosecutor; making it look like she could never change her mind and reveal that she has no memory of the shooting and maybe have the case reversed. Its a fact. Diane Frederickson was born August 7, 1955 in Phoenix, Arizona. She has an excellent conduct report and never reacted violently to any of the harassment from other inmates. You hit the nail right on the head. Its a rather large part of the story. And Ann Rule said that the unicorn that was omnipresent in court was part of the premeditation. It seems they all went the easy way. That was the extent of her investigation of Dianes side. Not meaning to sound disrespectful, but you seem to be doing what you accuse Ann Rule of doing. That disinformation was alleged by Mr. Hugi the third day into Jim Jaggers defense and it was never objected to by Mr. Jagger . It should be removed from the blog. Maybe because of her notoriety and the victims were children. They checked her shoes and they were clean. Maybe dad relinquished, it sounds like he may have. He separated from his wife and was going to follow Diane who, by now, had decided to move and work in Oregon to be closer to her parents. Johns Hopkins said lockdowns reduced deaths by 0.2%. Diane found a full-time job with the U.S. Post Office in 1981, and was stationed in Chandler. It is not a plus, but it is not a crime either. On May 30, 1983, the McKenzie-Willamette Hospital Chaplain told Dianes father to hire an attorney because the State was going to take his grandchildren away. During his travels, he visited prisons and spoke against this type of barbarism because his father was imprisoned for a debt of 40 pounds and 10 shillings when he was twelve years. She says she was outside the car n watched the man shoot her children n then the only adult n person who could tell police about him only gets a shot in the arm n takes time to bandage her arm. Blood spatter is not an exact science, and is interpreted differently by experts. They hated her attitude and thought she was promiscuous and showed no sorrow or remorse. If Diane was bipolar, the non-stop chatter would have been inherent to the situation. I bet the records are and always have been sealed regarding this aspect of the case. If it doesnt matter to you, it should. Hysteria. Their haste to go to trial created this mess and lingering doubts. http://www.glamour.com/story/i-found-out-my-mother-was-a-killer-the-rebecca-babcock-story. Yes, I had to go and sign the lease, yes, sir. I guess Diane forgot to have that part engraved on the Unicorn. I watched the paroles hearing in 08, was lucky to find it, it was streamed live at the timemy sister, who is a whiz with computers, found it for me. You need real evidence in court. You do not have to agree with my general opinion outside of the facts of the case, but I would appreciate some comments on what matters; how this case was handled at trial and during the investigation. Diane needs some serious spiritual advancement and atonement before she ever will have or deserve peace. He knows as he was in court and must have photos. She was interrogated without a representative from the defense and was not taped for the most part. Now if the shooter was this James Haynes guy, someone who apparently Diane Downs knew from buying drugs, then that would explain why she stopped in the middle of that road. Mainly because the courts have to give every chance possible and all the services necessary to the bio family to try to preserve the relationship. I appreciate this whole blog just want to give you a heads up. Carol Kirkwood shared an insight into her recent holiday to Norway with fianc Steve Randall on Wednesday as she shared their first social media post together.. She got an apartment and I was going to move in with her. As a married man, the ball was in his court and he decided togo forit. I was curious as to what these requirements were, as I have not seen these online. Clearly the social workers were working with the DAs office and taking advice on best interest of the children from them. Being interested in a subject without bringing emotions to the table is always the most important step. 2.Diane herself has stated that the shooter was outside the car and shot THROUGH the window, no blood spatter. The tape is real and probably not admissible, but it seems to indicate that her testimony was coerced. Conflict of interest on steroids!! She never hurt anyone in the process of escaping. Instead, it is Diane who fought to keep her children. Robert and Diane even decided toget matching rose tattoos, but as soon as the ink on her tattoo was dry, he refused to get his done. Nobody near to help. They now throw people in prison in the US for debts. Of course, because this is what she does when people put her on the spot and ask questions concerning her mother and the shooting. No matter how much Ive read, or how many of her constant at the time interviews I watch on YouTube, the things that come from her brain to her mouth never cease to amaze me. The reason she is likely locked up is because she was diagnosed with narcissistic, histrionic and anti social personality disorder, that makes her a very dangerous person (especially since she is a murderer). He said all the police needed was for Diane to bear witness against her ex-husband. But Diane was not the one dragging Knick out of Charlenes bed every morning intent on making or breaking his relationship with another woman. Plus according to an expert at trial, her testimony did not match the blood spatter analysis in the car. They hardly investigated any other lead after a couple of weeks. As I stated towards the beginning of my response, Im taking issue with the blog and the subjective language used. Maybe she didnt want to admit she was there for drugs, but you need a really tiny brain to worry about that in such a situation. No. She is supposed to be locked up for murder, etc. Instead of shooting the little kids, why didnt the carjacker/killer (CK) simply shoot DD dead and take her car? It can safely be presumed, other children told their parents, and that some of those parents reported the disturbing revelation to states Attorney, Prosecutor Fred Hugi. The blog I read is all about the improprieties and flat out misconduct in Dianes trial (and the way Ann Rule profited off of it with fiction). I never found a photo of James C. Jagger online. CMOH said 2 doses = minimal protection against infection . The children were in the hospital, it isnt like they could have taken them home. Surely before Diane downs, there were other mothers who killed their kids..or allegedly did, however in 83 and 84 it made national news, nothing quite like it had come across the media world, which during that decade was really skyrocketing in sensationalismI believe is where it started, becoming less news and more entertainment. But people never want to touch the high profile cases where the defendant is not likable. Completely unethical, and not in the best interest of those children. The next morning Diane appeared in the courtroom with a police report written by Detective Pond a year earlier, in which Ms. Patterson was sure Diane had gone nowhere near the bathroom the night of the shooting (Appendix 62). Why does the blogger not clarify this? Like I said, the 2 years make it a bit more of a gray area. Almost from day one, Diane was perceived as a cancer they had to remove. An earlier commenter wrote that it doesnt matter that the trail or the investigation was faultyWHAT !? Instead of grieving, Alice went partying and had sex. The lawsuit against Ann Rule was thrown out as unfounded because after reading her book they could find no inconsistencies She sat thru the entire trial AND used actual court transcripts. While not evidence of guilt or innocence, it is certainly worth noting as part of the overall wrongs perpetrated during this fiasco of a trial and subsequent appeals. In hindsight Im sure the grandparents wish they had pursued visitation more aggressively. From what Ive read, she gets a parole hearing every decade and the next time in 2030 she will be 75. It wasnt simply her demeanor that got her convicted. Diane was known for her love of all animals whichshe treated with great care, and for her independent and wild streak. Nobody ignored Dianes demeanor. And being the mother of three only served to propel Diane in a more manic state. The people who implemented lockdowns would never be anywhere near public policy again. Besides, none of those diagnoses are illegal. Foster Carers says either Australia or England to me. You mention her youngest daughter, and how Ann made sure she only heard negative information about Diane.. Not our place to decide. This coercion came to Dianes attention in January 1989 (Appendix 39). Page 41 of case history. The fact that they used her daughter and lied about the gun they could never find makes it a wrongful conviction. The photo of Hugi I used is the one you find when you do a search online for Fred Hugi who prosecuted Diane Downs. Five doctors have observed and documented this phenomenon. The courts were divided in the 80s, family court, traffic court, criminal court, juvenile court I dont believe they ran out of judges to preside over them all. A. I told Diane before, but I certainly didnt tell her to I have no dog in this race. Even if they say that she did not get involved in rehabilitation programs, she did participate, but obviously did not admit to killing her daughter and injuring the others. it also isnt right that the rules get to keep being changed after the fact as far as how often one may apply for parole. 4. Within three weeks, Diane had lost custody of her remaining wounded children and had become the number one suspect in the eyes of the police department and District Attorneys office. How one of them lied on the stand about ballistics? From what we know about Becky, she had chosen a difficult path and Diane was trying to warn her. The fruit of this abduction was the May 23, 1983, videotape re-enactment staged by Detective Tracy in which Diane is clearly hysterical. Now she claims she was dating an FBI agent at the time, was holding some top secret pictures for him, and she was on the road to meet someone to pass them off, at the instruction of her FBI boyfriend. Youre right to say that a GSR is not always foolproof and between 10-20% of suicide GSR kits test negative for GSR. What is known for a fact, is, Prosecutor Fred Hugi took physical custody of Christie and Danny shortly after Christies confessions to her school mates, and he officially adopted them in the summer of 1986. He should have let someone else handle the case or let someone else adopt the kids. Mrs. Fredericksons concern for her daughters emotional state was well placed. Jeff, you mention being harsh as if there was a justification for it. But in the case of DD, there were a lot of elements missing. ANNE RULES BOOK IS A LIE, ,ALL MADE UP CRAP. I must humbly admit that I had not questioned the facts of the case before readily accepting this image of Diane as a cold blooded killer. So move on. I am publishing your comment because once in a while, I need to post the pitiful representation of true crime readers who made Anne Rule a rich author. She was also shot twice andifshe had been sitting up, the seats would have been covered with blood spatter as well as the shooter. That is the reason effective trial counsel challenges the competency of a nine-year-old child to testify in a court of law. It wasnt until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. This does not make her innocent. I do not believe that this type of abuse would occur today. Also, the title of the website clearly demonstrates an inherit bias. Hugi did not want that. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. In the nurses notes, she is described as in shock and unable to grasp the situation. Kumbaya my Lord, Kumbaya. That single fact collaborated by a witness, convicts her for me. Otherwise you just want people to fill your echo chamber that agree with you, tell anyone else you obviously dont want to debate me.., then ban, then hope for people to agree. My question is: why is she still locked up? Dilantin is known to cause mental confusion and you can check it online, but consider the dosage she was on and it needs no clarification. I think u need to read the facts. It kinda scared me, the thought that mommy could shoot me, like this mommy did. Doesnt change the fact that it was still a conflict of interest. Knicks habit of turning on and turning off their relationship was known to Diane long before he admitted it in court a year later (Appendix 81, page 1520, line 21): Q. She has been in prison for so long that we dont know what her mental health situation is so it is a moot point for me. They were in a difficult situation becausewithout evidence, they could notcharge her for the crime. One of them named Angel, called 15-year-old Christie on the phone. Diane asked for proof that her ex husband was behind the shooting. Ive been to London to Fly the Queen ~ and Back to Collect Artifacts, Haleigh Cummings Was Once Lost but Now She Is Found, Meet Rene Acoby: In-House Female Dangerous Offender, Kelli Stapleton- A Mothers Wuthering Woes. Likewise, Charlene had no intention of letting Knick divorce her (Appendix 81, page 1518, line 15). Not that it matters, your opinion is about the case and not subject to geography. And to say that her mental health has degraded is an understatement, but more reason not to keep her eternally incarcerated. But if you compare the time she was seen by the witness to the timing of her arrival at the hospital, it seems to indicate she went pretty fast, butnone of it was explained ordemonstrated properly. I will talk to Dianes brother. It is called a conflict of interest. I dont know how familiar she was with the area, but I do not think that it matters anyway. In fact, Diane and her lawyer wanted Christie to be able to heal before being questioned and to be accompanied and taped during the sessions. It would be about November 20th that you would have gone back with Charlene, what, the next day? Sometimes it takes until late in life for connections to be made again. Her arm was severely damaged, so shattered that she needed a graft from a hip bone. Why am I not arguing the facts of the trial? This case flew under my radar so to speak because it happened before my time. In addition, the children were suffering life-changing physical and mental trauma, which would take years to heal. This test confirmed Diane had not held a gun. Page 40 of Case History. Wasnt it speculative on their part? They should have stayed out of it instead of contributing to her revictimization. The bushy haired stranger that police had gotten a lead on worked at the country club he was at work at that time and had a sever speech impediment. Even if the nurses notes indicated countless times that the children asked for their mother and enjoyed her visits, they cut them off from the only family they knew and loved; supposedly for their own protection. but later you claim Diane was inside the car and shot the kids in the car and that that BECAUSE she was inside the car she should have had blood splatter on herso WHICH IS IT, I dont know which it is Libby. Fred Hugi was pretty upset when Ann Rule went Hollywood with his case. If the goal was to get rid of them, why didnt she emulate her lesser half in this matter? Its tiresome. Id like to challenge some of the bloggers claims. I know people who know or knew people is not a valid argument. I would like to raise the numerous issues with this blog. She threw her keys yet was able to take off right away?? I care about what was said at trial. 4. Yes, isnt it shocking that some people would voice that a faulty investigation does not matter? You seem to care about my opinion and perception of some elements of the case and how the media poisoned the well in this instance, but what about the trial? What I explain in the blog is that the fact that Foote is the one who removed the children from Dianes care is exactly why he should NOT have been presiding over her murder trial. If I included the ones I dont post, it would need more than a like or dislike button. Steve knew Danny was not his biological child and left Downs. On the single count of murder, the jurors needed a unanimous decision. If it was not such a high profile case, Diane Downs would have been paroled a long time ago: speculative, Ill stop there. There is a court sketch artists rendering of him in this video. We could say that it was suggestive on his part, but considering how this trial was conducted, I tend to believe it happened. Its more understandable now, after all this time but it has done her so much harm, then and now http://sputniknews.com/us/20150620/1023613662.html#ixzz3djEXlSAC // The Prison State of America Dec 28, 2014 Chris Hedges, http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_prison_state_of_america_20141228 The grandparents were babysitting the children often and had several children who were well adjusted. I am not sure. 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